The Wall isn't the point at which a woman's looks and fertility are deemed no good; it's the mid-30s leverage flip, the point at which she can no longer approach dating with a sense of abundance and is now more desperate and insecure than men her own age. This concept wasn't invented by the manosphere. Even Sex & the City mentioned it.
The caveats:
1. Some men get better dating pools when they get older (and indeed, men are the only ones who *can*), but many don't. The typical 38-year-old man who's complaining that his pool is full of fat aged jaded single moms didn't have a pool that looked like that when he was 24. He had a girlfriend who was similarly young and inexperienced, who liked him even when he wasn't ready to settle down. He truly can't get that kind of gal again.
2. There's a growing niche of *young* women criticizing the manosphere's image of what it must be like to be a young woman: "If I'm so much more valuable than guys my age, why do they keep rejecting me? If women don't feel desperate and insecure until their 30s, why have I felt this way in my teens and early 20s? And you're saying it's only going to get worse from here?!" It seems like the 2000s red pill blogosphere was more explicit about this chunk of the young female population existing and understood that men's goal was to get out of their league and attract better women. But the dumbed-down red pill model that's spread in recent years has ignored this part, and more than ever, the women who are being devalued are hearing it and speaking up.
yes, and nobody knows better when they have the most potential. we as every other species are a running experiment. humans have the capacity to acquire behaviors in an arbitrary way (aka education and culture) this is a compromise with time itself since learning a bunch of stuff takes time. the advantage here is, we can update behaviors much faster than we need to update our biological hardware (or as biologists call it, wetwate). it doesn't mean all new behaviors are good in the long run (feminism) but others may (rp)
Bro, with time, the slight advantage goes to men moreso than women. Look at Mic Jagger, he's like 50 years older than his wife. Or Dolph Lundgren, his wife is the same age as his daughter. So long as he's kept in decent shape, a man will be able to pull women. Both Mic and Dolph are in great shape for their age. I believe Mic Jagger runs several miles daily and stays lean. Dolph just flat out has great genetics.
You’re largely right, but you’ve missed one aspect in which this is not true. Poise and confidence are attractive, and this typically only comes with age. Particularly for men, but also for women too. Perhaps this varies with age (I’m in my 50’s), but I generally find highly attractive woman in their 30’s or 40’s hotter than what they would have been in their 20’s, because back then they had less poise and confidence. If you’re talking just about average women (or men) who never will have poise and confidence, you’re entirely right.
The smart women (and men) get hooked up with a partner while they are young such that the wall becomes less of a problem
The Wall isn't the point at which a woman's looks and fertility are deemed no good; it's the mid-30s leverage flip, the point at which she can no longer approach dating with a sense of abundance and is now more desperate and insecure than men her own age. This concept wasn't invented by the manosphere. Even Sex & the City mentioned it.
The caveats:
1. Some men get better dating pools when they get older (and indeed, men are the only ones who *can*), but many don't. The typical 38-year-old man who's complaining that his pool is full of fat aged jaded single moms didn't have a pool that looked like that when he was 24. He had a girlfriend who was similarly young and inexperienced, who liked him even when he wasn't ready to settle down. He truly can't get that kind of gal again.
2. There's a growing niche of *young* women criticizing the manosphere's image of what it must be like to be a young woman: "If I'm so much more valuable than guys my age, why do they keep rejecting me? If women don't feel desperate and insecure until their 30s, why have I felt this way in my teens and early 20s? And you're saying it's only going to get worse from here?!" It seems like the 2000s red pill blogosphere was more explicit about this chunk of the young female population existing and understood that men's goal was to get out of their league and attract better women. But the dumbed-down red pill model that's spread in recent years has ignored this part, and more than ever, the women who are being devalued are hearing it and speaking up.
yes, and nobody knows better when they have the most potential. we as every other species are a running experiment. humans have the capacity to acquire behaviors in an arbitrary way (aka education and culture) this is a compromise with time itself since learning a bunch of stuff takes time. the advantage here is, we can update behaviors much faster than we need to update our biological hardware (or as biologists call it, wetwate). it doesn't mean all new behaviors are good in the long run (feminism) but others may (rp)
Bro, with time, the slight advantage goes to men moreso than women. Look at Mic Jagger, he's like 50 years older than his wife. Or Dolph Lundgren, his wife is the same age as his daughter. So long as he's kept in decent shape, a man will be able to pull women. Both Mic and Dolph are in great shape for their age. I believe Mic Jagger runs several miles daily and stays lean. Dolph just flat out has great genetics.
You’re largely right, but you’ve missed one aspect in which this is not true. Poise and confidence are attractive, and this typically only comes with age. Particularly for men, but also for women too. Perhaps this varies with age (I’m in my 50’s), but I generally find highly attractive woman in their 30’s or 40’s hotter than what they would have been in their 20’s, because back then they had less poise and confidence. If you’re talking just about average women (or men) who never will have poise and confidence, you’re entirely right.